Poor people should not pay the price for biodiversity protection. So can see this nature of the debate. What is…what is the impacts they are all talking about? Well, it’s about whether you can achieve a win-win solution, whether you can achieve economic growth which brings wealth in order to cut poverty without damaging the biodiversity. And the argument is that if you want to protect the biodiversity, you have to focus on that as a goal, but if you do that, you run the risk of hurting the poor and you also run the risk of inconvenience and reducing the economic growth. We use the developed, industrialized countries to see this argument, this axis, is argued about with let us say, a government wishing to start drilling for oil in place X, which is full of wildlife, and wildlife conservation society is urging them not to on the ground of it’s a wilderness refuge. We’re used that debate. What I am saying is that in the developing world, there is a third axis, which and it’s a quite complex one.